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=== Gauntlet of Shar === | === Gauntlet of Shar === | ||
{{main|Gauntlet of Shar}} | {{main|Gauntlet of Shar}} | ||
The party must overcome each of {{CharLink|Shar|Shar's}} trials and collect the Umbral Gems to gain access to the Shadowfell. They may also find and either ally with or kill Balthazar. | Once inside the Gauntlet of Shar, his minions can be encountered but it will trigger combat with Dark Justiciars. | ||
==== Meeting Balthazar ==== | |||
After the combat encounter, Balthazar can be located in a room behind a big circular door. He will introduce himself as a servant of Ketheric Thorm and that he is there to retrieve the Nightsong. He will press the party into helping him since they are there and he might as well make use of them. | |||
If the party read {{SmRarityItem|Research Notes (Balthazar)}} and knows the secret of the Nightsong, the party can reveal that they know and Balthazar will ask why he shouldn't just kill them right away: | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I had Z'rell's permission - that good enough for you?}} (if sent there by {{CharLink|Z'rell}}) | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I received permission. Take it up with your peers at Moonrise, if you have an issue.|roll=Deception|dc=14}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|You're hiding from shadows - literally. Don't make threats you can't back up.|roll=Intimidation|dc=14}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|Because I'll rip your tongue out, shove it down your throat, then stomp on your 'creations' until they are dirt beneath my feet.|tags=Barbarian|roll=Intimidation|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|Touch me, and I'll strike you down with all of nature's fang and fury. Go ahead - try me.|tags=Druid|roll=Intimidation|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|It's simple - you need me. Don't pretend otherwise.|roll=Persuasion|dc=14}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I wield the divine. I can use it to assist you, or send you screaming to the Fugue Plane. Your choice.|tags=Cleric|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|Do it - unleash your creations. But they will not protect you from me - or my righteous fury.|tags=Paladin|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|Sir, I am a jack-of-all-trades and a master of many. Our meeting was not by chance - you ''need'' me.|tags=Bard|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|You are a ship without a sail, necromancer. You need allies - you need ''me''.|tags=Monk|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|Because I am magical ''powerhouse''. You need me, and you know it.|tags=Sorcerer|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I outmatch you in both brains and magic - you ''need'' me.|tags=Wizard|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
Otherwise, the party can then ask why the Nightsong is so important: | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I need more to go on. Why is this relic so important? What does it do?|roll=Persuasion|dc=14}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|Jobs like this always go smoother when I know exactly what I'm looking for.|tags=Rogue|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|A scout is little good if they don't know what to look for. What does this relic do?|tags=Fighter|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|What are the properties of this relic, magical or otherwise? So I can be of better assistance, of course.|tags=Wizard|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I'm not the type to make a deal without the details. What exactly am I looking for?|tags=Warlock|roll=Persuasion|dc=14|advantage=y}} | |||
If passed, Balthazar will reveal that Ketheric Thorm's relic is the Nightsong, and the source of his invulnerability and that he must protect it to protect him. The party can then opt to ask for help: | |||
* {{Dialogue option|You have resources to spare - give me something to aid my search.|roll=Persuasion|dc=14}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|For jobs like this it's good form to provide your operatives some extra resources.|roll=Persuasion|dc=14}} | |||
Passing this check will reward the party with the {{SmRarityItem|Summon Golem Bell}} to summon {{CharLink|Flesh}}. | |||
A combat encounter will always trigger on conclusion of this conversation, where Dark Justiciar Avengers attack both the undead servants and the party. Once this combat resolves, the party may have the opportunity to speak to Balthazar further and learn more about the relic he is searching for. There is also the option to simply attack and kill Balthazar at any time after this encounter. It is also possible to fully avoid contact with Balthazar and his servants until entering the Shadowfell. | |||
==== Shar's trials ==== | |||
The party must then overcome each of {{CharLink|Shar|Shar's}} trials and collect the Umbral Gems to gain access to the Shadowfell. They may also find and either ally with or kill Balthazar. | |||
=== Shadowfell === | === Shadowfell === | ||
'''WARNING: Entering Shadowfell locks the party out of many side quests, and pushes the party to the end of Act Two!''' | '''WARNING: Entering Shadowfell locks the party out of many side quests, and pushes the party to the end of Act Two!''' | ||
If Balthazar was not killed, he arrives in the Shadowfell immediately after the party, thanking them for their service in completing the trials. He floats ahead and tells the party to come with him to witness greatness. Once the party leaps to the heart of the Shadowfell, they learn the Nightsong is not an object, but an aasimar woman named {{CharLink|Aylin|Dame Aylin}} | If Balthazar was not killed, he arrives in the Shadowfell immediately after the party, thanking them for their service in completing the trials. He floats ahead and tells the party to come with him to witness greatness. Once the party leaps to the heart of the Shadowfell, they learn the Nightsong is not an object, but an aasimar woman named {{CharLink|Aylin|Dame Aylin}} who has been held captive by Thorm using the power of Balthazar to share her immortal life with him: | ||
* {{Dialogue option|Wait - the Nightsong is a ''person?''}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|What are you going to do to her?}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I can't let you take her}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|My companion has her own plans for this one. Stand down.}} (if Shadowheart is present) {{Approval|Shadowheart|+5}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|You cannot bind a ''person'' to the needs of another. Free her. ''Now.''|tags=Oathbreaker}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|She is a person - not a ''thing'' to be used. On my oath, she will be freed.|tags=Paladin}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|Impressive work, Balthazar, but you are not needed anymore. The Nightsong is our sacrifice.|tags=Minthara}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|The Nightsong's a ''person''? Balthazar, this is an affront to the Weave itself.|tags=Wizard}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|If I'd known you were hunting a person, I'd have charged for my services.|tags=Rogue}} | |||
After this, the party can deal with Balthazar: | |||
* {{Dialogue option|If she's the reason Ketheric Thorm is invulnerable, you're not taking her. Leave, or you're a dead man.}} {{Approval|Lae'zel|+1}} {{Approval|Gale|+1}} {{Approval|Wyll|+1}} {{Approval|Karlach|+1}} {{Approval|Halsin|+1}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|Go on, then. Take the Nightsong to Ketheric. Get it over with.}} {{Approval|Karlach|-5}} {{Approval|Halsin|-1}} {{Approval|Wyll|-1}} {{Approval|Gale|-1}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|'''''ROAR AT THE NECROMANCER.'''''|tags=Berserker}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I agree - no more questions. More '''blood. YOURS.'''|tags=Barbarian}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|''You'' are the one who interferes - in Lady Shar's bidding. For that, you must die.|tags=Shadowheart, Evil Cleric}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|I care not for the holy creature - but you tricked me, necromancer. For that: you die.|tags=Evil Cleric}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|The Nightsong is angel-born. It deserves freedom.}} {{Approval|Lae'zel|+1}} {{Approval|Gale|+1}} {{Approval|Wyll|+1}} {{Approval|Karlach|+1}} {{Approval|Halsin|+1}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|The Moonmaiden's light dances around this one... You will harm her no more, necromancer.|tags=Cleric of Selûne, Good Cleric}} {{Approval|Lae'zel|+1}} {{Approval|Gale|+1}} {{Approval|Wyll|+1}} {{Approval|Karlach|+1}} {{Approval|Halsin|+1}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|You will torture this angel-born no longer, necromancer.|tags=Good Cleric}} {{Approval|Lae'zel|+1}} {{Approval|Gale|+1}} {{Approval|Wyll|+1}} {{Approval|Karlach|+1}} {{Approval|Halsin|+1}} | |||
* {{Dialogue option|''Attack him.''}} {{Approval|Lae'zel|+1}} {{Approval|Gale|+1}} {{Approval|Wyll|+1}} {{Approval|Karlach|+1}} {{Approval|Halsin|+1}} | |||
Once Balthazar is dealt with, the party can then decide to free Aylin. | |||
If Shadowheart is in the party, she can kill the Nightsong and become the Dark Justiciar she always dreamed she'd be, or she can be convinced to spare her. | |||
If Shadowheart is not brought along, then she immediately confronts the party for denying her the destiny she'd always dreamed of. She leaves the party. Additionally, the Nightsong can only be killed by Shadowheart - otherwise, attempting to do so does nothing but annoy Dame Aylin. | If Shadowheart is not brought along, then she immediately confronts the party for denying her the destiny she'd always dreamed of. She leaves the party. Additionally, the Nightsong can only be killed by Shadowheart - otherwise, attempting to do so does nothing but annoy Dame Aylin. |
Latest revision as of 18:41, 12 November 2024
Find Ketheric Thorm's Relic is a sub-quest of in Act Two of Baldur's Gate 3. It can be started by speaking with Thisobald Thorm in The Waning Moon, by speaking to Disciple Z'rell in Moonrise Towers, or by reading Balthazar's diary in his chambers in Moonrise Towers.
Objectives[edit | edit source]
Objectives and journal entries may vary pending story decisions and outcomes.
Walkthrough[edit | edit source]
Moonrise Towers[edit | edit source]
After entering Moonrise Towers, the party is urged to go to the audience chamber. Enter it, and Ketheric is on a throne while one of his minions, Disciple Z'rell, is interrogating some goblins. Fezzerk is one of the goblins from the Blighted Village and he pleads for his life. The party can attempt to plead their case with Ketheric, but he refuses to believe they have any worth and orders the new True Souls to handle it. He leaves for his quarters and Z'rell tells the party to do whatever they want with them. The goblins can be killed, or set free. The party also has the option to try attacking Thorm, but he simply walks away and tells Z'rell to deal with it, and the whole area becomes hostile.
After dealing with the goblins, Z'rell must be reported to. She's up the stairs behind the throne in the audience chamber. Speak to her, and she telepathically connects with the party to see how the goblins died. Next, she tries to figure out if the party is loyal to the Absolute. The party can attempt to distract her with romantic thoughts of their love interest (Persuasion DC 14), fill their mind with fake love for the Absolute (Deception DC 14), distract her with their hunger for power, or use a special dialogue for Monks, Rogues, or Fighters.
If successful, Z'rell gives the party a new task - track down Balthazar, a servant of Thorm's who the cult has lost contact with. He was last seen at the Thorm Mausoleum. Z'rell gives the party a key to his room and instructs them to take a Moonlantern and touch nothing else. However, the party can access a secret area in his room in order to start .
Alternative Ways to Acquire the Quest[edit | edit source]
There are two other ways to start the quest beyond speaking to Z'rell. The party can either pickpocket the key to Balthazar's room or loot it from Z'rell's corpse. Entering his room, Balthazar's Diary reveals his activities. If Minthara is a member of the party, she also encourages the party to search Balthazar's room to find answers on the relic.
If the party drinks with Thisobald Thorm in the Waning Moon, they can learn a little bit more about Thorm's secrets. After drinking three times with him, Thisobald starts ranting. "I - I know you. I knew, I know, I am knowing. You want father's personal mysterious - (secret) - secret. No, not, never! Father said, ordered, commanded. Don't say it, don't say it! The cage. Her cage. Talk and... perish, die, buried. Buried in Thorm tomb. Father told me." This grants a hint as to Thorm's relic.
The Relic[edit | edit source]
Pursuing Balthazar leads the party to Grand Mausoleum. The Grand Mausoleum is north of the House of Healing. Enter the Mausoleum after being accosted by Raphael and there is a small puzzle to proceed forward. There are three paintings with buttons underneath them, press them in the following order to open the way: Moonrise Towers, Grief, General. Move north using the traversal gem to enter the Gauntlet of Shar.
Gauntlet of Shar[edit | edit source]
Once inside the Gauntlet of Shar, his minions can be encountered but it will trigger combat with Dark Justiciars.
Meeting Balthazar[edit | edit source]
After the combat encounter, Balthazar can be located in a room behind a big circular door. He will introduce himself as a servant of Ketheric Thorm and that he is there to retrieve the Nightsong. He will press the party into helping him since they are there and he might as well make use of them.
If the party read Research Notes (Balthazar) and knows the secret of the Nightsong, the party can reveal that they know and Balthazar will ask why he shouldn't just kill them right away:
- I had Z'rell's permission - that good enough for you? (if sent there by Z'rell)
- [DECEPTION] I received permission. Take it up with your peers at Moonrise, if you have an issue. (DC 14)
- [INTIMIDATION] You're hiding from shadows - literally. Don't make threats you can't back up. (DC 14)
- [BARBARIAN] [INTIMIDATION] Because I'll rip your tongue out, shove it down your throat, then stomp on your 'creations' until they are dirt beneath my feet. (DC 14 )
- [DRUID] [INTIMIDATION] Touch me, and I'll strike you down with all of nature's fang and fury. Go ahead - try me. (DC 14 )
- [PERSUASION] It's simple - you need me. Don't pretend otherwise. (DC 14)
- [CLERIC] [PERSUASION] I wield the divine. I can use it to assist you, or send you screaming to the Fugue Plane. Your choice. (DC 14 )
- [PALADIN] [PERSUASION] Do it - unleash your creations. But they will not protect you from me - or my righteous fury. (DC 14 )
- [BARD] [PERSUASION] Sir, I am a jack-of-all-trades and a master of many. Our meeting was not by chance - you need me. (DC 14 )
- [MONK] [PERSUASION] You are a ship without a sail, necromancer. You need allies - you need me. (DC 14 )
- [SORCERER] [PERSUASION] Because I am magical powerhouse. You need me, and you know it. (DC 14 )
- [WIZARD] [PERSUASION] I outmatch you in both brains and magic - you need me. (DC 14 )
Otherwise, the party can then ask why the Nightsong is so important:
- [PERSUASION] I need more to go on. Why is this relic so important? What does it do? (DC 14)
- [ROGUE] [PERSUASION] Jobs like this always go smoother when I know exactly what I'm looking for. (DC 14 )
- [FIGHTER] [PERSUASION] A scout is little good if they don't know what to look for. What does this relic do? (DC 14 )
- [WIZARD] [PERSUASION] What are the properties of this relic, magical or otherwise? So I can be of better assistance, of course. (DC 14 )
- [WARLOCK] [PERSUASION] I'm not the type to make a deal without the details. What exactly am I looking for? (DC 14 )
If passed, Balthazar will reveal that Ketheric Thorm's relic is the Nightsong, and the source of his invulnerability and that he must protect it to protect him. The party can then opt to ask for help:
- [PERSUASION] You have resources to spare - give me something to aid my search. (DC 14)
- [PERSUASION] For jobs like this it's good form to provide your operatives some extra resources. (DC 14)
Passing this check will reward the party with the Summon Golem Bell to summon Flesh.
A combat encounter will always trigger on conclusion of this conversation, where Dark Justiciar Avengers attack both the undead servants and the party. Once this combat resolves, the party may have the opportunity to speak to Balthazar further and learn more about the relic he is searching for. There is also the option to simply attack and kill Balthazar at any time after this encounter. It is also possible to fully avoid contact with Balthazar and his servants until entering the Shadowfell.
Shar's trials[edit | edit source]
The party must then overcome each of Shar's trials and collect the Umbral Gems to gain access to the Shadowfell. They may also find and either ally with or kill Balthazar.
Shadowfell[edit | edit source]
WARNING: Entering Shadowfell locks the party out of many side quests, and pushes the party to the end of Act Two!
If Balthazar was not killed, he arrives in the Shadowfell immediately after the party, thanking them for their service in completing the trials. He floats ahead and tells the party to come with him to witness greatness. Once the party leaps to the heart of the Shadowfell, they learn the Nightsong is not an object, but an aasimar woman named Dame Aylin who has been held captive by Thorm using the power of Balthazar to share her immortal life with him:
- Wait - the Nightsong is a person?
- What are you going to do to her?
- I can't let you take her
- My companion has her own plans for this one. Stand down. (if Shadowheart is present) +5
- [OATHBREAKER] You cannot bind a person to the needs of another. Free her. Now.
- [PALADIN] She is a person - not a thing to be used. On my oath, she will be freed.
- [MINTHARA] Impressive work, Balthazar, but you are not needed anymore. The Nightsong is our sacrifice.
- [WIZARD] The Nightsong's a person? Balthazar, this is an affront to the Weave itself.
- [ROGUE] If I'd known you were hunting a person, I'd have charged for my services.
After this, the party can deal with Balthazar:
- If she's the reason Ketheric Thorm is invulnerable, you're not taking her. Leave, or you're a dead man. +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
- Go on, then. Take the Nightsong to Ketheric. Get it over with. -5 -1 -1 -1
- [BERSERKER] ROAR AT THE NECROMANCER.
- [BARBARIAN] I agree - no more questions. More blood. YOURS.
- [SHADOWHEART] [EVIL CLERIC] You are the one who interferes - in Lady Shar's bidding. For that, you must die.
- [EVIL CLERIC] I care not for the holy creature - but you tricked me, necromancer. For that: you die.
- The Nightsong is angel-born. It deserves freedom. +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
- [CLERIC OF SELÛNE] [GOOD CLERIC] The Moonmaiden's light dances around this one... You will harm her no more, necromancer. +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
- [GOOD CLERIC] You will torture this angel-born no longer, necromancer. +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
- Attack him. +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
Once Balthazar is dealt with, the party can then decide to free Aylin.
If Shadowheart is in the party, she can kill the Nightsong and become the Dark Justiciar she always dreamed she'd be, or she can be convinced to spare her.
If Shadowheart is not brought along, then she immediately confronts the party for denying her the destiny she'd always dreamed of. She leaves the party. Additionally, the Nightsong can only be killed by Shadowheart - otherwise, attempting to do so does nothing but annoy Dame Aylin.
If the Nightsong is freed, she thanks the party. If Shadowheart spared her, then she throws the Spear of Night into the abyss of the Shadowfell. However, Dame Aylin grants her a new weapon as thanks - the Moonlight Glaive. Then, Aylin flies off to face Thorm. After leaving the Shadowfell, Lady Shar subjects Shadowheart to unimaginable torment before sending her back to the mortal realm, and Shadowheart loses her favour. After completing , upon speaking to Dame Aylin in camp, Shadowheart will be rewarded with Selûne's Spear of Night.
If Shadowheart kills the Nightsong, she becomes the Dark Justiciar and gains Shar's Spear of Evening. However, the party loses a valuable ally in the Nightsong. There is a major consequence for Last Light Inn due to Shadowheart's actions. Isobel is overwhelmed and unable to sustain her protection magic over the Inn, causing all within to fall to the shadow curse. Shadowheart refers to this as cleansing the resistance to Lady Shar's will. Additionally, unlike instances where Isobel is kidnapped in , Jaheira is nowhere to be found and does not aid the party in the Last Light Inn fight.
Shadowheart has a secondary approval system, influencing the choices in Nightsong Points.
and Find Ketheric Thorm's Relic. For more information, seeConfronting Ketheric[edit | edit source]
The final meeting with Ketheric can go very differently depending on if the party aided him or sabotaged him. However, it always results in fighting against Ketheric. If the party released the Nightsong, they're prompted to go to Moonrise Towers and assault it, resulting in a showdown with Thorm at the top of the tower. If the party allowed Balthazar to kidnap the Nightsong, they report back to Z'rell and are either charged with a new mission,
, or sent to the top of the tower to receive judgment from the Absolute.