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::::These are your opinions. This is how you, as an individual, feel about these topics. You can't possibly think it's acceptable to write essay after essay based exclusively on the negative dialogue options (ignoring the positive and neutral options) and feel as though that's not biased? If you think only one set of dialogue options exist as "the one truth" then you shouldn't be updating the wiki for a story with a multi-branching narrative. This suggests that you lack the ability to understand how that story telling works whilst also lacking the self-awareness to acknowledge your own biases. Some of what you've written, well, you're just lying. I know this for a fact because I have extracted the dialogue files from the modding tools, I didn't just randomly watch YouTube videos. Some other things you've written aren't relevant to the romance at all and instead are related to the companion quest. | ::::These are your opinions. This is how you, as an individual, feel about these topics. You can't possibly think it's acceptable to write essay after essay based exclusively on the negative dialogue options (ignoring the positive and neutral options) and feel as though that's not biased? If you think only one set of dialogue options exist as "the one truth" then you shouldn't be updating the wiki for a story with a multi-branching narrative. This suggests that you lack the ability to understand how that story telling works whilst also lacking the self-awareness to acknowledge your own biases. Some of what you've written, well, you're just lying. I know this for a fact because I have extracted the dialogue files from the modding tools, I didn't just randomly watch YouTube videos. Some other things you've written aren't relevant to the romance at all and instead are related to the companion quest. | ||
::::If you want to ramble about your personal feelings and headcanons, there's tumblr for that. [[User:LoreBard|LoreBard]] ([[User talk:LoreBard|talk]]) 06:26, 19 July 2024 (CEST) | ::::If you want to ramble about your personal feelings and headcanons, there's tumblr for that. [[User:LoreBard|LoreBard]] ([[User talk:LoreBard|talk]]) 06:26, 19 July 2024 (CEST) | ||
::::Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am not taking the bait from your first line, and will instead assume you are replying in good faith to me. I presume you will extend the same courtesy. | |||
::::I must have mis-typed because the "Are there any other dialogue options than this" does not apply to the wisdom check, but to the line below | |||
::::The wisdom check question was ''"Can you show me the verified facts to match this"'' | |||
::::The "This" in that sentence was the line below. | |||
::::: ''"Successful check will reveal that as Ascendant, he considers even his beloved one belonging to the lower order of creatures and shall ever treat them accordingly"''The "Are there any other dialogue options" relate to the line where you state that he expresses his new found permissiveness (Permissiveness is not used to describe oneself. If he is expressing permissiveness then he is telling Tav "Go ahead, do what you want, its all cool" (I actually agree with the usage in this case but I suspect it is not how you intend the sentence to read). ''" Astarion answers 'there are no vampires like me and never will be again'." -'' He is the vampire ascendant. There are no others like him. He is not expecting the ritual to ever be completed again. ''"he says they will never find anyone other like him"'' This is during a breakup line. If the listener interprets it to mean Astarion views everyone as lower than him then that is the subjective interpretation of the listener. It is basically "Go ahead, leave me, you will never have anyone as good as me" and this is rarely taken to mean that the person thinks everyone else is beneath them. "''Spawn-Tav's lines in the epilogue show that they ...''" No, it does not suit me better. If you are to use this here, then it applies to every time in the game where the dialogue option to express a fully supportive view applies. Tav has the option in every dialogue choice to be fully on board with any companion. This is not acquienscence or sycophancy. It is an RP option. Whether Tav is unable to think for themselves is entirely on the Player and how they wish to RP the scenario. Much as the dialogue in the epilogue RomanceFates scene - or in any dialogue. Tav can choose the options that suit the players RP. Be that supportive, gaslighting, aggressive, sad, rude and so on. ''"He actually says that he could have forced Tav into becoming a spawn"'' This is factually true. He is a vampire. He could have turned Tav forcefully if he wished. The PC could have woken up as a surprise vampire if they refused him on Ascension camp night. ''"for all his obvious arrogance and probable cruelty"'' He is arrogant, he was always arrogant. Probable cruelty is entirely a subjective opinion which can be inferred at a stretch by selecting specific dialogue options within the game. It can equally be argued that it is Tav who does cruelty to any companion. The inference that a Tav who is supportive and on-board with Ascended version must have lost their ability to critically think about their relations is just not an objective view. There are those who could more reasonably argue that letting a vampire drink from you when you just met them displays an inability to critically think. " ''have several fully-finished walkthroughs with all possible outcomes of relations with most companions''" That is good. I have over 10 fully finished walkthroughs with all possible outcomes of the relationship with Astarion. I have several others with different companions. I have the debug book mod for running through every possible romance flag in the game and every possible dialogue, I have the dialogue files and scene direction lsf files. This is not a "I have run this game more than you have" competition. | |||
::::"''I hope you're contented. Hate to waste words on obvious things, really, especially to those who 'just came across', but now have at once a billion of precise questions that give away their pretendedness''" I have billions of precise questions because I have the ability to read text and relate it to lines I have seen in game. Perhaps you would prefer if I go through the entire article line by line for you, starting with your assertion that Astarion is the only character who actively seeks to start romantic relations? I can do that. It might require a lot more space than these replies allow [[User:Telchin|Telchin]] ([[User talk:Telchin|talk]]) 10:16, 19 July 2024 (CEST) | |||