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* If the player chose to help Astarion become an Ascendant, they will have an option to become a vampire spawn. This might be a straightaway player character's request, but if the player does not use this line in the dialogue, Astarion himself will eventually try to seduce them into becoming a spawn. During the course of conversation, multiple dialogue options can lead to Astarion telling the player character he loves them (with allowance for his ''new'' understanding of the 'love' concept). | * If the player chose to help Astarion become an Ascendant, they will have an option to become a vampire spawn. This might be a straightaway player character's request, but if the player does not use this line in the dialogue, Astarion himself will eventually try to seduce them into becoming a spawn. During the course of conversation, multiple dialogue options can lead to Astarion telling the player character he loves them (with allowance for his ''new'' understanding of the 'love' concept). | ||
:* If the player eventually consents to becoming a spawn, they can then choose whether to sleep with Astarion again or not. However, neither choice there will impact the new-sprung Ascendant's decision to turn the player character, the only difference is whether another scene of sexual intercourse is shown. If Astarion's approval hasn't come up to 100 yet, agreeing to sleep with him will raise it a bit. | :* If the player eventually consents to becoming a spawn, they can then choose whether to sleep with Astarion again or not. However, neither choice there will impact the new-sprung Ascendant's decision to turn the player character, the only difference is whether another scene of sexual intercourse is shown. If Astarion's approval hasn't come up to 100 yet, agreeing to sleep with him will raise it a bit. | ||
:: Whatsoever, the cutscene proceeds to another background (depending on the location of the player’s camp) and into another dialogue with Astarion, where he will ask the player to kneel. At this point the player may roll a {{Ability check|Wisdom|18}} to | :: Whatsoever, the cutscene proceeds to another background (depending on the location of the player’s camp) and into another dialogue with Astarion, where he will ask the player to kneel. At this point the player may roll a {{Ability check|Wisdom|18}} to unveil Astarion's true attitude towards the player character. Successful check will reveal that as Ascendant, he considers even his beloved one belonging to the lower order of creatures and shall ever treat them accordingly. Nevertheless, the player might either give in and kneel, or refuse to do it, or choose to kick Astarion in the balls {{note|Doing this will cause Astarion to permanently leave the party}}. | ||
:: Agreeing to kneel will trigger the process proper of turning the player character. Before making the final bite, Astarion will thank them for giving him ''everything''. It remains unclear, though, whether he means everything ''he himself'' ever wanted to | :: Agreeing to kneel will trigger the process proper of turning the player character. Before making the final bite, Astarion will thank them for giving him ''everything''. It remains unclear, though, whether he means everything ''he himself'' ever wanted to acquire, or everything the character ever had, including their own life. After awakening, the player character will have received the [[Vampire Bite]] ability which provides the [[Happy (Condition)|Happy]] condition {{note|Still, whenever player character obtains this condition, the infobox will have the formulation '' "Astarion's vampiric hunger has been sated…" '' in it}}. | ||
:: If the player refuses to kneel twice, Astarion will leave and, in addition, end the romance. In his new | :: If the player refuses to kneel twice, Astarion will leave them and, in addition, end the romance. In his new status, he obviously does not want to continue the relationship with a character he won't be able to exert total control on. | ||
:* Players romancing Ascended Astarion as [[Karlach]] will also ultimately break up with Astarion, as he will be unable to turn Karlach into his spawn. If he attempted and failed to turn her, Astarion | :* Players romancing Ascended Astarion as [[Karlach]] will also ultimately break up with Astarion, as he will be unable to turn Karlach into his spawn. If he attempted and failed to turn her, Astarion would blame Karlach for it and become derisive towards her. {{note|After failing to turn her, Ascended Astarion will call Karlach '' "pathetic" '', ''"broken"'', and, pointedly, ''"doomed"''. Dialogue node context when breaking up with Ascendant Astarion as Karlach runs as '' "Savouring "doomed"" ''.}} | ||
* If Astarion was successfully convinced not to perform the Rite, he will tell the player he would like to show them something outside the camp. He will take them to the Lower City [[Graveyard]] and show his own grave {{note| In general walkthrough the player cannot find Astarion's tombstone at the cemetery, but judging by other cutscene landmarks it seems to be located under the huge willow, next to Karlach's parents' graves. The name on the stone is written in Thorass alphabet and might be read as <br>'' 'Astarion Ancunin' '' <br>However, the dates below do not match other dating found throughout the game and in FR lore <br>{{FRWiki|Thorass_alphabet|long}}}}. After the initial discussion, Astarion will chisel current year as a new 'birth' date on the tombstone and confess his love to player character. Through the dialogue, even ironical and sarcastic lines won't make the spawn to break up with the player character. After that, the player can consent to sleeping with Astarion or not; again, neither option impacts the further relationship. If the player agrees, the scene will proceed into romance intercourse right nearby Astarion's grave. | * If Astarion was successfully convinced not to perform the Rite, he will tell the player he would like to show them something outside the camp. He will take them to the Lower City [[Graveyard]] and show his own grave {{note| In general walkthrough the player cannot find Astarion's tombstone at the cemetery, but judging by other cutscene landmarks it seems to be located under the huge willow, next to Karlach's parents' graves. The name on the stone is written in Thorass alphabet and might be read as <br>'' 'Astarion Ancunin' '' <br>However, the dates below do not match other dating found throughout the game and in FR lore <br>{{FRWiki|Thorass_alphabet|long}}}}. After the initial discussion, Astarion will chisel current year as a new 'birth' date on the tombstone and confess his love to player character. Through the dialogue, even ironical and sarcastic lines won't make the spawn to break up with the player character. After that, the player can consent to sleeping with Astarion or not; again, neither option impacts the further relationship. If the player agrees, the scene will proceed into romance intercourse right nearby Astarion's grave. | ||
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Regardless of the Rite conclusion, on the next morning the player character might have a unique dialogue with Astarion (he will prompt it himself in case he turned them into a spawn). As an Ascendant, during it he reveals his truly napoleonic plans of conquering as much influence and power as he can (with the spawn character by his side or without them). He will also express his newfound feeling of all-permissiveness, especially if the player rejected his offer to become a spawn {{note|'' "I can take anything I want. I should have made you a spawn just to teach you that." '' - post break-up dialogue with Astarion the Ascendant at the camp.}}. | Regardless of the Rite conclusion, on the next morning the player character might have a unique dialogue with Astarion (he will prompt it himself in case he turned them into a spawn). As an Ascendant, during it he reveals his truly napoleonic plans of conquering as much influence and power as he can (with the spawn character by his side or without them). He will also express his newfound feeling of all-permissiveness, especially if the player rejected his offer to become a spawn {{note|'' "I can take anything I want. I should have made you a spawn just to teach you that." '' - post break-up dialogue with Astarion the Ascendant at the camp.}}. | ||
Otherwise, Astarion will discuss thoughtfully | Otherwise (if remained a spawn), Astarion will discuss thoughtfully what has happened in the dungeons in retrospective, and sincerely thank the player again for leading him away from the edge of irrevocable losing his true self. | ||
At this point the player might again choose the option to break up with him deliberately. Interestingly, Astarion the Ascendant will be utterly outraged about the break-up if he has already turned the player character into a spawn, but still consent to it (probably being sure he might be able to order them to return should he have such a whim). | At this point the player might again choose the option to break up with him deliberately. Interestingly, Astarion the Ascendant will be utterly outraged about the break-up if he has already turned the player character into a spawn, but still consent to it (probably being sure he might be able to order them to return should he have such a whim). | ||