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What are Nightsong Points?

Nightsong Points are a special approval system, exclussive to Shadowheart. They influence how the encounter with Dame Aylin during the final stages of Act Two plays out, during the quest Find the Nightsong.

There are a total of six Nightsong Points available during the first two acts, having at least four will make Shadowheart starting to doubt her devotion to Shar and unlock otherwise hidden dialogue when encountering the Nightsong.

The internal flag for the Nightsong Points is ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_FLAG.

Points 1 & 2

The first two points can be accuqired during Shadowhearts flashback scene during Daughter of Darkness, where she shows the player her young self, as a group of Sharran worshippers corner a wolf in the woods.

To unlock this event, the player has to have at least three "Wolf Dream Points", which can be accquired while progressing the story:

• Saving Shadowheart on the Nautiloid (ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_NautiloidSaved)
• During Camp Conversation, when Shadowheart reveals herself as a disciple of Shar, follow this path: (ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_WorshipGood)
  • Shadowheart: There's often suffering - death even. Many people break before they embrace Shar's thruths.
    • Player: I'd be lying if I said it didnt sound convincing. You should tell me more some time.
• During Camp Conversation, ask Shadowheart if you can help with her hand. (ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_WoundFlarePositive)
• During Camp Conversation, ask Shadowheart to tell you more about herself. (ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_LearnedPersonalKnowledge)
• During Camp Conversation, find out about her suppressed memories. (ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_MissingMemories)
• Giving Shadowheart the Idol of Shar (ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_FoundIdolOfShar)
• Supporting Shadowheart during her fight with Lae'zel (ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_LaezelFight)

To now gain the two Nightsong Points, the player has to choose the correct choices in the correct order.

Point 1

Option 1: During the conversation with Shadowheart, after her flashback, succeed a passive DC 18 Religion check to unlock the conversation option

• You looked like you were wearing a Moonstone...isn't that commonly worn by Selunites?

Option 2: Reading Selûnite Rite in Owlbear Nest before triggering this conversation, will give the player the knowledge to skip the passive ability check. (ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_MadeSeluniteConnection)

Point 2

AFTER completing Point 1, continue the conversation with

• • Player: No wonder you're so dedicated to Shar - you feel like you owe your life to her.
  • Shadowheart: She made me who I am...at least, as best as I can remember. She taught me, trained me, punished me when I failed her - which was often.

Now pick

• Player: Sounds like abuse.

(ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_AbuseEmancipation)

Point 3

This point is only available after Shadowhearts wound has flared up four times. A new conversation option will appear:

• Your wound is causing you too much pain, Shadowheart. There must be a way to heal it.

If you approval is 20+, you can either pass a DC 10 Religion check or DC 12 Persuasion check to gain the Nightsong point. (ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_CureIncurableWound)

This Point can become unobtainable, if the Wound flare happens outside of conversation. The occuring flare doesnt get added to the required 4 and stops future points from being added as well (Patch 6, version 4.1.1.5022896).

Point 4

Convincing Shadowheart to eat the Noblestalk. (ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_AteNoblestalk)

Make sure to complete Point 3 first, as consuming the Noblestalk will trigger a bugged Wound flare and will prevent any future wound flares counting towards the Point 3 progression.

Point 5

Giving Shadowheart a Night Orchid will attribute another point. (ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_GaveNightOrchid)

Point 6

This point can be accquired in a couple of ways, while the party is in the Gauntlet of Shar:

• Shadowheart: I've dreamed of this place. This is my destiny - I must complete the trials.
• Player: All right, I'll help if I can.

Otherwise, agreeing to let Shadowheart activate any of the three trials will give you the same point. (ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_AgreedToTrials)

Possible outcomes in Shadowfell

After collecting 4 Nightsong points, Shadowheart might immeditatly trigger a conversation about her being conflicted. A second new conversation will unlock after going to camp the next time, without any indicators, other then her changed body language. If you long rest or leave camp before talking to her here, this will be become unavailable.

During the encounter with the Nightsong, the following flags are checked to enable to additional conversation options:

• 4+ Nightsong Points
• 40+ Approval Raiting

If both thresholds are hit, Shadowheart will always spare the Nightsong, if the player doesnt explicitly tells her to kill her.

If the player has 20-40 Approval, but enough Nightsong Points, the conversation will always end in Shadowheart killing the Nightsong. This is assumed to a bug.

External Links

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