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* The target rolls either an [[Athletics]] or [[Acrobatics]] [[Skill Check]], whichever is higher, to contest the attempt. The shoving creature, however, always rolls [[Athletics]].
* The target rolls either an [[Athletics]] or [[Acrobatics]] [[Skill Check]], whichever is higher, to contest the attempt. The shoving creature, however, always rolls [[Athletics]].
* The weight of a target object and a creature's [[Strength]] score determine whether a shove attempt can be made in the first place. The condition is {{math|\text{Strength} \times \text{Multiplier} \ge \text{Object weight} }}. The multiplier is 12 normally, 28.2 for {{Cond|Enlarged}} creatures, and 5.1 for {{Cond|Reduced}} creatures.{{ref|From the definition of {{c|CanShoveWeight()}} in {{c|Scripts/thoth/helpers/CommonConditions.khn}}.}}
** Smaller characters like [[gnome]]s {{em|do not}} receive penalties to max shove weights. The only modifier comes specifically from the Enlarge/Reduce effects. Even similar effects like {{Cond|Giant Form}} do not affect the maximum shove weight.
** If the condition is not met, attempting to shove an object or creature will display a message "Too heavy to Shove."
* As of Patch 6, shoving an allied creature always succeeds, though the weight conditions described above must still be met.
* As of Patch 6, shoving an allied creature always succeeds, though the weight conditions described above must still be met.
* The distance an object or creature can be shoved is restricted to a minimum of {{dist|m=1}} and a maximum of {{dist|m=6}}.{{ref|From the definitions of {{c|ShoveDistanceMin}} and {{c|ShoveDistanceMax}} in {{c|Public/Shared/Stats/Generated/Data/Data.txt}}.}}
* The distance an object or creature can be shoved is restricted to a minimum of {{dist|m=1}} and a maximum of {{dist|m=6}}.{{ref|From the definitions of {{c|ShoveDistanceMin}} and {{c|ShoveDistanceMax}} in {{c|Public/Shared/Stats/Generated/Data/Data.txt}}.}}
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== Shove mechanics ==
== Shove roll ==
When attempting to shove a non-allied creature, both the target and the shover make skill checks in a ''contested'' roll.
When attempting to shove a non-allied creature, both the target and the shover make skill checks in a ''contested'' roll.
The shover makes a normal [[Athletics]] check against a DC determined by the target's passive skill using either Athletics {{em|or}} [[Acrobatics]], whichever is higher.{{ref|From the definition of {{c|ShoveCheck()}} in {{c|Scripts/thoth/helpers/CommonConditions.khn}}.}}
The shover makes a normal [[Athletics]] check against a DC determined by the target's passive skill using either Athletics {{em|or}} [[Acrobatics]], whichever is higher.{{ref|From the definition of {{c|ShoveCheck()}} in {{c|Scripts/thoth/helpers/CommonConditions.khn}}.}}
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When targeting an ally, Shove does not require a skill check and will always succeed, provided all other prerequisites for a successful shove are met. This behaviour was added in Patch 6 and prior to that, shoving allies required passing a skill check.
When targeting an ally, Shove does not require a skill check and will always succeed, provided all other prerequisites for a successful shove are met. This behaviour was added in Patch 6 and prior to that, shoving allies required passing a skill check.
== Shove weight ==
The weight of a target object and a creature's Strength score determine whether a shove attempt can be made in the first place. The requirement is:
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{{math|\text{Strength score} \times \text{Multiplier} \ge \text{Target object weight} }}.
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Note that this is the full Strength score, {{em|not}} the Strength ability modifier that is usually used. The multiplier is 12 unmodified, but is increased to 28.2 for {{Cond|Enlarged}} creatures, and decreased to 5.1 for {{Cond|Reduced}} creatures.{{ref|From the definition of {{c|CanShoveWeight()}} in {{c|Scripts/thoth/helpers/CommonConditions.khn}}.}}
Smaller characters like [[gnome]]s {{em|do not}} receive penalties to max shove weights. The multiplier is adjusted specifically by the Enlarge/Reduce conditions and has nothing to do with [[creature size]]. Even functionally identical effects like {{Cond|Elixir of the Colossus}} or {{Cond|Giant Form}} do not affect the maximum shove weight.
If the weight condition is not met, attempting to shove an object or creature will display a message "Too heavy to Shove."


== References ==
== References ==
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Revision as of 21:39, 28 July 2024

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Shove is a common Bonus Action that allows the user to shove an enemy, pushing them away (and possibly off ledges or into harmful effects).

Description

Try to push your target away.

Your success depends on your Athletics, and the target's Athletics or Acrobatics. You have Advantage Icon.png Advantage if you're Hidden Hidden or Invisible Invisible.

The shove distance depends on your Strength and the target's weight.

Properties

Cost:
Bonus action
Details:
 Range: 1.5 m / 5 ft

Notes

  • The target rolls either an Athletics or Acrobatics Skill Check, whichever is higher, to contest the attempt. The shoving creature, however, always rolls Athletics.
  • As of Patch 6, shoving an allied creature always succeeds, though the weight conditions described above must still be met.
  • The distance an object or creature can be shoved is restricted to a minimum of 1 m / 3 ft and a maximum of 6 m / 20 ft.[1]
    • The maximum shove distance is for level terrain. When shoving an object off a ledge, it can go further than 6 m / 20 ft since it will continue its parabolic trajectory as it falls.
  • Shove can also be used to rouse a creature from Sleeping Sleeping or help them shake off the effects of certain spells like Hypnotic Pattern Hypnotic Pattern.

Shove roll

When attempting to shove a non-allied creature, both the target and the shover make skill checks in a contested roll. The shover makes a normal Athletics check against a DC determined by the target's passive skill using either Athletics or Acrobatics, whichever is higher.[2] This passive skill is equal to 10 + skill bonus with Advantage Icon.png Advantage on the relevant skill checks adding 5 and Disadvantage Icon.png Disadvantage subtracting 5. For example, a barbarian at level 1, with 17 Strength, proficiency in Athletics, and currently Raging Raging will have a passive Athletics skill of:

10 + 3 (Strength modifier) + 2 (Proficiency bonus) + 5 (Advantage on Strength checks) = 20

If the shover's roll meets or exceeds the target's passive skill, the shove will be successful. Shove attempts cannot critically fail, provided rolling a natural 1 would still beat the target's passive Acrobatics or Athletics skill.

Information on the contested skill check is not readily visible in-game since, in the combat log, the DC of a shove skill check is always erroneously shown as 0. The percentage chance preview before making a shove is accurate, however.

Shoving is one of the few cases where skill checks are made in combat. As a result, this is one of the few uses for the component of Hex Hex that imposes Disadvantage Icon.png Disadvantage on skill checks of a specified ability. Hexing Strength will greatly reduce the chance of an enemy successfully shoving you and make it easier to shove high Strength enemies. Hexing Dexterity will make it significantly easier to shove high Dexterity enemies. Note that it is not possible to see an enemy's skill bonuses in the inspect window, so it is not always easy to determine whether hexing Strength or Dexterity would be more impactful.

When targeting an ally, Shove does not require a skill check and will always succeed, provided all other prerequisites for a successful shove are met. This behaviour was added in Patch 6 and prior to that, shoving allies required passing a skill check.

Shove weight

The weight of a target object and a creature's Strength score determine whether a shove attempt can be made in the first place. The requirement is:

.

Note that this is the full Strength score, not the Strength ability modifier that is usually used. The multiplier is 12 unmodified, but is increased to 28.2 for Enlarged Enlarged creatures, and decreased to 5.1 for Reduced Reduced creatures.[3]

Smaller characters like gnomes do not receive penalties to max shove weights. The multiplier is adjusted specifically by the Enlarge/Reduce conditions and has nothing to do with creature size. Even functionally identical effects like Elixir of The Colossus Elixir of The Colossus or Giant Form Giant Form do not affect the maximum shove weight.

If the weight condition is not met, attempting to shove an object or creature will display a message "Too heavy to Shove."

References

  1. From the definitions of ShoveDistanceMin and ShoveDistanceMax in Public/Shared/Stats/Generated/Data/Data.txt.
  2. From the definition of ShoveCheck() in Scripts/thoth/helpers/CommonConditions.khn.
  3. From the definition of CanShoveWeight() in Scripts/thoth/helpers/CommonConditions.khn.