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 ::You state that Ascended Astarion "''will express ultimate arrogance and sense of superiority over all former companions, player character included''."
 ::Can you provide the dialogue option for this, specifically the last part of the sentence. [[User:Telchin|Telchin]] ([[User talk:Telchin|talk]]) 22:05, 18 July 2024 (CEST)
+:::I see the support squad comes on the stage. Don't you tell me you stumbled on a '''hidden''' comment page to an inner subdivision of a major article, picking it out of a sudden; especially that being your only contribute to more-than-thousand-page wiki. Okay, let's go through your questions one by one
+:::''"Successful check <...>''
+:::''Are there any other dialogue options than this?''
+:::-- This one comes clear from the formulation of a successful Wisdom check
+:::'''He will always see you as degrading yourself if you continue to be with him. But perhaps you wish to degrade yourself, and he knows it.'''
+:::As all I meant here is the formulation of the '''check''' itself, why do you ask about other dialogue lines, but okay.
+:::If Tav initially says they want to be a vampire 'like him', Astarion answers 'there are no vampires like me and never will be again'. Later within cutscene, if Tav refuses him, he says they will never find anyone other like him, while he surely will succeed with the same task. Assuming all this, he's aware and sure of his exclusiveness, therefore, all others are at least one step lower by default.
+:::''"He will also express his newfound<...>''
+:::-- The proof-example line for this is provided in the according note 8 below. He actually says that he could have forced Tav into becoming a spawn, just on a whim. Meaning, he feels that nothing is able to restrain him anymore, ever.
+:::''It is also clear from the language choices<...>
+:::-- I have several fully-finished walkthroughs with all possible outcomes of relations with most companions, Astarion included, but that's not the case here. Some romantic lines in the game are much more easier to fulfil than others, that's all. However, this is the only point I could somewhat agree, because for instance the correct phrase here should be not 'the player', but 'the player character'. Spawn-Tav's lines in the epilogue show that they literally hang on his words (if this formula suits you better) - for all his obvious arrogance and probable cruelty, ''this'' Tav almost loses an ability to think over their relations critically. As for non-Ascended and partnered Astarion, he tells the character (the next morning after rite) that he now sees them 'as a partner, an equal', so there's no need in sucking up.
+:::''With regard to the epilogue text<...>''
+:::-- If the player broke up with Ascendant, there won't be any pre-party bedroom scene. If they didn't, Astarion does ask what they would like to do first, but makes it clear that it will be him who pulls the strings, while the player character is the one he willingly shares his conquests with, still the second number, always. They will never be an independent power player while remaining aside him.
+:::The answers he awaits are 'True, we are spectacular'/'None will dare, my love' (as all other lines are not actually answers to his words, they push the dialogue further). If the player asks back about them 'flourishing', it opens dialogue options to express further doubt and get an angry reproach from him in response.
+:::''You state that Ascended <...>''
+:::-- At the Epilogue party, after spawn-partner speaks with at least one former companion and return to Astarion, he will ask ''"So, how have our dear friends been without us to guide and protect them?"''. Next he will say that he expected them all to be "half-dead in the muck" (with some variations depending on previous line choice). Is that not enough arrogant for you? As for last statement, in the epilogue he says that they 'complete him', but 'he's always watching' - he does not see them as an independent person, too, but instead one that needs to be totally controlled.
+:::I hope you're contented. Hate to waste words on obvious things, really, especially to those who 'just came across', but now have at once a billion of precise questions that give away their pretendedness. [[User:Arikel|Arikel]] ([[User talk:Arikel|talk]]) 23:50, 18 July 2024 (CEST)